Curse

*Darcy* · Dec 10, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

FA = Fort Aspenwood

And I believe the majority of the leechers are from the other side, ensuring a win for their side. And there are many threads on this, but no easy solution.

ANet was inundated with reports, but anyone accused of deliberately leeching could just blame lag. Who could prove differently?

Count to Potato · Dec 10, 2006, 03:40 AM // 03:40

Leeching is only beaing being really really really annoying, just so you all het POed, it really is unfair to the gamer, but its had to stop it

Quid Pro Quo · Dec 10, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41

Anet's take:
Unfortunate but not somthing they will deal with. Technically no rules broken.

BoredJoe · Dec 10, 2006, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Yeah it's kinda interesting how they nerf chest runs, running and solo farming but leave leeching as it is. Maybe so few people play in FA its not worth A.Net's time to even look at it. 3 games simultaneously is not a lot of people.

Personally I'd prefer it if they just shut down FA and the Jade Quarry arenas. that would solve the problem.

Whiplashr · Dec 10, 2006, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

And we needed a comment with such a negative torn because?

Because he's insecure, silly. Lashing out at others as being inferior to you makes you feel oh so much better about yourself. Proven psychology. Too bad people like him just don't get it. But the rest of us can see for ourselves quite well.

I mean, it's not in any way constructive or helpful. It's not his place (or any non moderators place) to lecture anyone else about thread content, nor do the occasional thread like this hurt *anything* at all.

Nope, it's not constructive or helpful in any way. The only reason people ever act like he and so many other people do is because they have a deep, burning need to put themselves out there and demonstrate superiority.

What's gained by making others feel bad? What's gained by making others out to be inferior to yourself?

That's right, nothing.. except that it pumps you up in the process.

Malice Black · Dec 10, 2006, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Originally Posted by BoredJoe

Yeah it's kinda interesting how they nerf chest runs, running and solo farming but leave leeching as it is. Maybe so few people play in FA its not worth A.Net's time to even look at it. 3 games simultaneously is not a lot of people.

Personally I'd prefer it if they just shut down FA and the Jade Quarry arenas. that would solve the problem.

Nerf chest runs: Stop bots gaining easy golds to sell.
Running: Any decent runner can still do it. Also aimed at bots, since droks trolls was one of their main farming areas.
Solo Farming: Again done to limit bot damage on the game.

Leeching has no major effect on the game as a whole.

BoredJoe · Dec 10, 2006, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

Nerf chest runs: Stop bots gaining easy golds to sell.
Running: Any decent runner can still do it. Also aimed at bots, since droks trolls was one of their main farming areas.
Solo Farming: Again done to limit bot damage on the game.

Leeching has no major effect on the game as a whole.

Tbh the only change I've noticed from the nerfs is more people complaining, prices have gone down but I thought this was due to inscriptions more than anything else. Golds should go up, especially rare golds, with chest runs gone but stuff is pretty cheap. I suppose with solo farming harder there should be less gold around meaning prices should drop but I think it's more the increased supply of items that's pushing prices down and greens dropping all over the place.

With leeching not having an effect on the game isn't PvP supposed to be one of these end game activities that A.Net are trying to drive people to? If leechers drive people away from this arena then they're essentially driving people away from the game. FA is more of a fun arena for the casual player. It's different from the other arenas in the game (it's random and like a battleground) so there isn't really an alternative to FA and the type of player who frequent it (me!).

Former Ruling · Dec 10, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by BoredJoe

Tbh the only change I've noticed from the nerfs is more people complaining, prices have gone down but I thought this was due to inscriptions more than anything else. Golds should go up, especially rare golds, with chest runs gone but stuff is pretty cheap. I suppose with solo farming harder there should be less gold around meaning prices should drop but I think it's more the increased supply of items that's pushing prices down and greens dropping all over the place.

With leeching not having an effect on the game isn't PvP supposed to be one of these end game activities that A.Net are trying to drive people to? If leechers drive people away from this arena then they're essentially driving people away from the game. FA is more of a fun arena for the casual player. It's different from the other arenas in the game (it's random and like a battleground) so there isn't really an alternative to FA and the type of player who frequent it (me!).

You are taking FA and JQ way to seriously....They aren't PvP btw. Not truly.

They have direct and obvious PvE goals, you just happen to be able to attack the other team while you are doing it.

With JQ especially (and on a smaller scale FA) you actually complete the task of the mission far quicker by not just always attacking the other team. Any loses in there are almost always due to either more leechers on one team than the other, or people just fighting each other instead of doing the tasks to win the mission.

BoredJoe · Dec 10, 2006, 08:40 AM // 08:40

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

You are taking FA and JQ way to seriously....They aren't PvP btw. Not truly.

They have direct and obvious PvE goals, you just happen to be able to attack the other team while you are doing it.

With JQ especially (and on a smaller scale FA) you actually complete the task of the mission far quicker by not just always attacking the other team. Any loses in there are almost always due to either more leechers on one team than the other, or people just fighting each other instead of doing the tasks to win the mission.

All the more reason to remove the maps or at least remove the Kurzick and Luxon npcs from the Great Temple. If no one cares about them then A.Net may as well concentrate on true PvP. If they're not going to take care of the maps then there's no point having them, especially places where ppl prey on newbies and casual players, which is really what the leechers are doing.

Gregslot · Dec 10, 2006, 11:53 AM // 11:53

Its no the teams fault that somone decided to leech.
Some people join the group, even interact with you, say that he is ready and then when we join the game he simply does not respond. these people join the group with the purpose of standing there and leech.
Some people even get their friends to leech. Another day a ranger and a elementalists asked to join my group (they were both from the same guild), the ranger played and all, but the elementalists started "leeching" as soon as the game started, and the ranger said his buddy had to be afk... when the game ended he came back to play another round... coincidence?

Maybe they shouldnt allow people to get faction inside the base, that would decrease significantly the number of leechers.

Maria The Princess · Dec 10, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

Nerf chest runs: Stop bots gaining easy golds to sell.
Running: Any decent runner can still do it. Also aimed at bots, since droks trolls was one of their main farming areas.
Solo Farming: Again done to limit bot damage on the game.

Leeching has no major effect on the game as a whole.

actually the Bots that "leech" in FA are the same gold farmers. they go in countless amount of times till they reach 10k factions.

then the real player trades those for jade/amber and sells, or donates to allience (if they are FF maniacs but dont wanna do it themselves).

but they are bots

Matsumi · Dec 10, 2006, 12:14 PM // 12:14

I don't think they should shut down those two places, that just sounds like the wishes of somebody leeching. They are really fun maps to get into and have a working team accomplishing the goals together to win. I would like to go back there some time and play those two places again with my derv and paragon, but I know with it would come the leechers. Kind of disappointing really. I don't mind at all playing with people that are new to those maps, because at least they TRY, where as somebody leeching doesn't even give a rats ass, and ruins everyone's fun in the process. I almost see if as a form of griefing really, and I think leechers should be banned from the game, or at least aspenwood and jade quarry.

Yichi · Dec 10, 2006, 12:37 PM // 12:37

its pve. who cares ?!

Former Ruling · Dec 10, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by BoredJoe

True I should just not go there. Stick my head in the sand and be happy in the knowledge ppl are joining with 4-6 leechers. Not my problem.

I would fix Random Arenas before I ever touched FA and JQ, and thats not even to say I beleive RA needs fixing because I think its fine.

But some would argue that Random Arenas is supposed to be your first venture into PvP (its the first true "arena" unlocked on the battle isles), and it gives a negative impression of PvP where you are free to ragequit and grief.

But that arguement again is taking RA alittle seriously.

Riotgear · Dec 10, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

its pve. who cares ?!

Then GvG must be PvE too, since all you really need to do there is kill the Guild Lord.

Former Ruling · Dec 10, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

Then GvG must be PvE too, since all you really need to do there is kill the Guild Lord.

in GvG it is actually to your advantage to strategically fight the other team for points on the map/etc. In FA and especially JQ fighting among the teams is mostly counterproductive for the overall goal (You would actually win much faster if most of the party was dedicated to fulfilling the pve goals instead of mindlessly trying to beat each other up). There inlays the difference.

Riotgear · Dec 11, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

in GvG it is actually to your advantage to strategically fight the other team for points on the map/etc. In FA and especially JQ fighting among the teams is mostly counterproductive for the overall goal (You would actually win much faster if most of the party was dedicated to fulfilling the pve goals instead of mindlessly trying to beat each other up). There inlays the difference.

The main obstacle in accomplishing those goals are the actions of other players. Two teams are competing for victory against each other. It's PvP.

Franco Power · Dec 11, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16

LOL you wanna compare gvg pvp level to FA ?

haha get real...

Gli · Dec 11, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

in GvG it is actually to your advantage to strategically fight the other team for points on the map/etc. In FA and especially JQ fighting among the teams is mostly counterproductive for the overall goal (You would actually win much faster if most of the party was dedicated to fulfilling the pve goals instead of mindlessly trying to beat each other up). There inlays the difference.

So, you're suggesting the Kurzicks take a few steps back while the Luxons capture the amber mines, only to recapture them when the Luxons leave to cause more mayhem? What should they do if the Luxons come back while they're killing the rangers? Run away and find another PvE objective?

Former Ruling · Dec 11, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

The main obstacle in accomplishing those goals are the actions of other players. Two teams are competing for victory against each other. It's PvP.

PvP at a base level means you can attack other players, so yes on the base level this is PvP.

It is not however on ANY level of pvp compared to all other forms of pvp in the game.

The attacking of the other team actually hurts your progress in these missions more often than it helps it. Instead of doing the obvious PvE goals like running amber or such they are too caught up in 1v1 whammo fights. No more than half the team should ever have to actively fight the other team the duration of the mission.

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So, you're suggesting the Kurzicks take a few steps back while the Luxons capture the amber mines, only to recapture them when the Luxons leave to cause more mayhem? What should they do if the Luxons come back while they're killing the rangers? Run away and find another PvE objective?

I didn't say anything that could even be twisted into that paragraph. I said if people actually cared about the pve goals of the mission and fought less against the other team they would win alot faster, but they are too caught up in wasting time trying to kill the other team to use the situations to their advantage. Having other team of humans vs you instead of just NPCs obviously brings a new level to the strategy, it isn't just an oppotunity for someone "l337 pWnzor" the other people with "sXillz".

Thats why RA exists

EDIT2: Anyways, this thread was about leeching wasn't it? Ain't much that can be done about that. Some requirement of activity for the reward could be implemented, but it would likely be easy to circumvent..(Energy used? simple, just alternate some skill hotkey and the esc key, you can waste loads of energy just standing there canceling skills, points healed/points you dmged enemies for? wouldnt work well because there are valid classes that do neither of those in the missions most of the time, etc)